Everything Happens for a Reason
Welcome to our first book discussion!
In June, we're reading and discussing Everything Happens for a Reason and Other Lies I've Loved by Kate Bowler. Bowler, a professor at Duke Divinity School extensively studied--and wrote the first book on the history of--what's called the prosperity gospel movement. The prosperity gospel, as it's called, claims that if you pray hard enough and are faithful enough God will reward you with blessings. Many times these blessings are meant to be thought of as monetary and material. I once attended a megachurch where the pastors preached such a message. In a large stadium-like sanctuary, the pastor told all 20 thousand people in attendance that "God wants you to have a new car."
When Bowler is diagnosed with stage IV colon cancer, the prosperity gospel begins to unravel between her fingertips as she's left struggling with making sense of her diagnosis. Did God really make her sick for a reason?
Before we dive in to a discussion, I want to make a couple things clear. First, I am a Lutheran and a cradle Lutheran at that. As such, the message of the prosperity gospel sounds very foreign to me. If you are a cradle Lutheran as well and it doesn't quite make sense to you, you're in good company.
The formula "if you do this, then God will do this" is a theology based on what Lutherans call "works righteousness." It's based on the understanding that God's favor is dependent on your good works. It's the same type of thinking that was going on in the 16th century, even if "prosperity" was defined a different way. Lutherans prefer to say that God loves us--period. Any good work that we do, we do because of God's love, grace, and mercy. Do you see the difference?
The benefit--and probably the draw--of the prosperity gospel is that there are clear answers. If you've been diagnosed with cancer, there's a reason. If you've been blessed with a good life, there's a reason for that as well. The problem, though, is that it turns God into someone who gives people cancer. I don't know about you, but I don't believe God does that. Instead, I tend to believe that sometimes, shit just happens.
What I do believe, however, is the power and mercy of God to be present in any situation. And that's what the cross teaches us--and what Bowler needed to hear in Chapter 8: Restoration--when she is longing to find an Ash Wednesday service that will actually acknowledge death and a Good Friday service that will not skip straight to Easter resurrection.
Okay, enough of this. Let's get talking.
But before we do, one important note:
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Now, let's get talking.
Here are my initial discussion questions for you:
1. Do you believe everything happens for a reason? Why or why not?
2.In Chapter 1 (p. 7), Bowler says that proponents of the prosperity gospel "don't expect God simply to be fair--they expect God to rain down blessings." Do you believe this or do you challenge this?
3. In Chapter 2 (p. 21), she writes this beautiful paragraph: "What would it mean for Christians to give up that little piece of the American Dream that says, "You are limitless?" Everything is not possible. The mighty Kingdom of God is not yet here. What if rich did not have to mean wealthy, and whole did not have to mean healed? What if being people of "the gospel" meant that we are simply people with good news? God is here. We are loved. It is enough." To me, this really is the good news. Do you buy it?
4. In Chapter 5 (p. 77), she suggests, "The prosperity gospel is a faith meant to be touched and held." I also believe my faith is meant to be touched and held, but the things I am holding are a little different. I cling to the water of baptism and to the bread and wine of communion. I held my grandmother's jewelry after she died, but only because she, in so many ways, represented God's love to me. What things do you hold that nurture your faith?
5. In several places (p. 101, for example, in Chapter 6) she says, "I am not a normal person." How do you interpret that sentence?
6. In Chapter 7 (p. 116), Bowler talks about three lessons people try to teach that are worse than cancer: 1) You should not be upset; 2) The experience is supposed to be an education; and 3) We should be saving ourselves. Have you ever been a recipient of these "lessons"? How did they make you feel?
7. Not a question, but be sure to look at Appendix I and Appendix II. There's good stuff in there.
8. Finally, how have you made sense of something awful? Or, have you?
As a child, I pictured God in the image of a mythical character like King Neptune. Don't go to church? Tell a lie? He will strike you down with a pitch fork. Need something? Bargain: "Dear God, I will quit ballet if you let my Grandma live."
ReplyDeleteBasically, God watched us in judgment--giving us blessings if we prayed hard enough and were "good", and taking away people we loved or punishing us with terrible diseases if we were "bad". Not very unusual, I suppose, especially since my parents seemed to be comfortable in continuing the teachings of our Puritan ancestors. And, maybe easy for me to follow because it seemed to match my sense of justice.
Many years later, as a result of spending some time with teachers of several religions/philosophies, I've become comfortable with my beliefs, today. Though impossible to duplicate, I believe that we should try to truly live as Jesus lived, and work on finding God in ourselves. I think my beliefs are much like Kate Bowler's, although how we got to this place is very different. Still...a journey.
Thanks Sally. I don't think you're alone in the way you thought about God as a child. The problem with this teaching is that, if this is the way God works, then God is not necessarily "good."
DeleteIn light of this book, I've also been contemplating whether or not "God has a plan" (this is another thing we hear from proponents of the prosperity gospel). I've come to believe that God's plan is an overarching one that is summarized in our baptismal promises: justice and peace for the world and that there are lots of different ways we fit into that plan, one of which is trying to live following the example of Jesus.
You say that you arrived at Kate Bowler's thinking, but by a different path. I'm wondering if you can say more about that? In what way was it different?
I am visiting my son, as you know. I was talking to him about Kate Bowler's book and my different beliefs at various points in my life. Many of my beliefs have not been formed as a result of a personal experience, like Kate Bowler's.
DeleteNow, some of my beliefs were always there--I thought they were universal truths, such as: All living creatures are sacred, which includes humans, animals, trees (all of life). I always believed that. I felt God in the trees, the birds, the cows, the pets...
But, I think much of my current thinking is the result of agreeing with or rejecting teachings or thoughts of others. Some just didn't ring true. Sunday school teacher: Only Christians go to heaven. From a Buddhist teacher: Babies die because of how they lived their past lives.
Others rang true: The union between God and creation. The importance of letting go of ego. The need to work on being present--Buddhist teachers, Richard Rohr, Fr. Keating (and others).
Living out your beliefs--that's the really hard part!!
Thanks for saying more. NOW I'm wondering how we might live out the belief that I quoted in Question 3, above that, "God is here. We are loved. it is enough." What would it look like to allow those beliefs to shape who we are and how we interact with the world around us?
DeleteQ1. I don't necessarily believe everything happens for a specific reason, but if I really think about certain events or circumstances in my life, I can often retrospectively figure out a "reason" or come up with some rationale of why my life may have taken a certain path.
ReplyDeleteI can't believe that everything happens for a reason. What could be the reason for a child--or any being--to be abused? The Buddhists believe that it's karma, which I could never buy into. I strived to follow many of the teachings, but I couldn't believe in karma.
DeleteThanks Angela and Sally.
DeleteWhen I think of things happening "for a reason," I think of cause and effect, in the way Sally described her beliefs of God as a child. You bring up a good point, though, in thinking about how the things that do happen to us, or the decisions, do in fact lead to certain outcomes or certain paths that our lives take. In that sense, yes, things do happen "for a reason," or because something else happened prior to it. We can see our lives as one big chain reaction.
The difference between this thinking and what Bowler is describing is that she resists saying that GOD causes everything to happen, especially suffering.
Does this make sense? There's so much more to talk about here, but I'll leave it at this and let you reply.
Yes. I agree. I don't believe that we are puppets on a string (predestination), nor do I believe that God causes things to happen for a reason or it's "God's will". In some ways, that would be easier, wouldn't it?
DeleteNo , not everything happens for a reason but can be a season. I do believe in predestination in some people that God has chosen for His purposes. In some cases God will allow somethings to happen to us so we can help others . Like Paul for instance , he persecuted Christians and was good at it and people respected him as such, God allowed him to do this so He can use him for His purposes later. Then Paul was blinded by God so Paul can see Jesus firsthand. That was the only way Paul could know God to become His instrument for mankind. So, God allows misfortune, pain, illness and atrocities in the countries for others to use for God's Glory .
DeleteYes, I understand what you're saying. I would challenge, however, on the idea that God allowed Saul to persecute the Christians. Was God's hand really in the persecution. Without a doubt Saul's conversion to Paul led to wonderful things for the church. I guess I wonder how many times God tried to get Sauls' attention before the blinding incident on the road to Damascus. God is always calling us to repentance and to a more life-giving path of following we in, but we are rebellious people and sometimes we can't see that there is a better, more life-giving way until we recognize our total dependence on God.
DeleteQ2. I don't agree with the Prosperity gospel believers that you can expect God to rain down blessings on people who believe or act a certain way. That is making life an equation and putting God in a sort of one-dimensional box. Life isn't one-dimensional and God is certainly more than we can ever imagine.
ReplyDeleteLife, in and of itself, isn't fair and people who prosper are no more holy than the poor folks who are suffering or can't seem to catch a break. And they certainly don't need the added burden of having the fault placed at their door for not being "holy" enough.
Thanks Sheila. I agree, especially when I think of the people with whom Jesus hung out. Jesus could always be found on the margins, among the poor, suffering, and vulnerable. He was rarely part of the "in" crowd!
DeleteQ3. I absolutely agree with you Pastor Emily! What a relief from the pressure that our society imposes on us to always push for more success (in the worldly definition). If we could all re-frame success as how much we could help our fellow sojourners it would bring the kingdom of God right now, here on Earth!
ReplyDeleteYes! Let's re-frame "success"! Most Christians would say Jesus was/is "successful," right? But he also failed in so many ways. I think of that story in Mark's gospel where even his family thinks he's out of his mind. He failed to live up to their standards, but in doing so revealed the wideness of God's mercy.
DeleteWhile I don't agree with the Prosperity gospel I do believe that some Christians have a different prosperity outlook . As we live in the world but not of it we can be very prosperous with our Faith in God we have all we need and our cup runeth over. Amen
DeleteYes, we are in the world but not of the world. That allows us to understand "prosperity" differently.
DeleteQ8. I know I'm skipping around here, but I wanted to get to this one! How have I made sense of something awful? I'm no different than most people. I grapple with why awful things have to happen in the first place. I think we all want to know WHY something happened either so we can avoid it in the future (see "life = equation) or so that we can make peace with it in our hearts. But some things are just beyond our understanding, they're never going to make sense. That's when I have to let God take over and thank Him that I have that option available to me. I don't know how people that don't have a higher power can handle tough situations. Sometimes you just can't pull yourself up by your bootstraps. I have lived the past couple of years by taking innumerable blind baby steps and trusting that everything is going to be all right no matter how it turns out.
ReplyDeleteRight. I can't remember if Bowler talked about what's often called "bootstrap theology" (what you mention--pulling yourself up by your bootstraps), but you're correct--sometimes you simply can't do it. We need God and one another because we can't always save ourselves. If we could, we would have no need for God.
DeleteWell this the second post, the first one disappeared. Well since I was late getting started I will try to be brief in mine. I used to think I believed that everything happened for a reason but I do not anymore. I don’t think God sits back and choosing who will have cancer or if I should have a pacemaker or if someone else should be in a car accident. These things just happen to the good and the bad and we are still guessing as to why and we will never know unless God tells us.
ReplyDelete2. I do think God rains down blessings but not in the way The prosperity Gospels think. I think everyday is a blessing to rise and see the beautiful sunshine or hear the sprinkling of rain. I think I am so blessed that sometimes I want to burst out and let everyone know just how much.
4. How would I feel as a Christian if I was told that I was not limitless and everything was not possible, I would feel anger for I feel that the Kingdom ofGod is here on earth leading us in everything we do. Everything is possible that is where our faith will guide us..Unfortunely rich does mean wealthy and whole does mean healed and that has to be accepted by all.
5. None of the churches I attended was touch and hold so I don’t know much about this but I do know that I am a touchy person and I love the way we have communion and be forgiven for our sins and the congregation holding hands singing the Lords Prayer. The main thing I hold on to is my memories of my mother who taught me the importance of God and Jesus Christ and I have always had my faith to get me through things I didn’t want to go through.
5. I think Bowler meant that she was not like everyone else and that her baby was different and no one could possibly know what she was going through. Our thoughts, actions are different so that makes us not a normal person.
6. Advice stinks and it hurts too. How can you not be upset when a loved one. Dies. Just like my sister passed away recently and I had a lot of regrets so naturally I was upset and feeling guilty. I am sure she forgave me but no one could tell me not to be upset, and there was no education in it either, because I have had a lot of love ones pass away so I feel educated enough. And so much as saving myself I think that is for God to decide.
I am not the best at putting things down on paper but maybe I can learn from everyone else. Bring on the next book.
I am not unknown this is judy Sietmann and I don’t know what happened.
DeleteThanks for being persistent in your post attempts, Judy! I know some others have had difficulty posting comments, and I can't figure out to fix it.
DeleteI love what you said about God's blessings. There are so many blessings surrounding us all the time; we're just not always attuned to seeing them. Our faith should reorient us and redefine what constitutes a blessing, in the same way Sheila talked about redefining "success."
Thank you for highlighting the importance of Holy Communion and holding hands during the Lord's Prayer. That certainly gives our worship a touch-and-hold quality. What strikes me about this, though, is that it physically connects us to one another. It connecting with God, we are automatically connected to each other. That sort of connection has huge implications for how we live out our faith!
You've done a great job putting your thoughts on paper and I look forward to hearing what you have to say about the next books! :)
I just picked up the new one today and read a little. It will be interesting because my mother worked in the mill in 1929 in Mecklenburg County and I have heard a lot about the mill strike of 1929.
DeleteJudy--looking forward to reading what you had heard about the strike while you were growing up.
DeleteHi everyone! I loved this first book! I do not believe that everything happens for a reason or that God has a plan. I do believe that God can and does the shittiest of situations and can bring good and wonderful things from those. Like Pastor Emily, I too am a cradle Lutheran and find that shapes many of my ideas and values. Although we Lutherans don’t talk about it much I definitely believe in the dark forces in the world, satan/evil/sin, whatever name someone chooses to call it is present in this world living strong and seeking to steal, kill, and destroy. I believe that God is always present and always with me and cares and loves me in any and all situations. This side of death will always be pain but not on the other side. I think of God’s love as a gift and believe that we all have God and we all are His children. I’ve even gone so far as to think what good is a gift if we don’t open it/realize it’s there. I still think God is with us but if I don’t believe in Him how can He possibly comfort and protect me? He can but I will be unaware and missing out on so many blessings/gifts.
ReplyDelete#2 My understanding of prosperity gospels, which is limited, is that the expectation is showers of blessings. I don’t have a problem with speaking life into things and leaning on faith that God will provide. I am uncomfortable with the blessings being bought and of a monetary worth. Some of my most meaningful blessings haven’t cost the giver any money. I think I agree with Bowler and do not agree that we should be asking God to make us rich etc. My prayers often include words like “You know my heart/needs/wants/desires better than I do ... please be with me and help me use the gifts from You to the best of my ability.” Isn’t it about what we can do for God and others and not only what He can do for us? Such a me me me society we live in today. I try to care for myself and yet have a servants heart at the same time.
ReplyDelete#3 What if being people of "the gospel" meant that we are simply people with good news? God is here. We are loved. It is enough." To me, this really is the good news. Do you buy it?
ReplyDeleteI not only buy it but I love it! Isn’t that more in line with what Jesus is calling us to do/be in the New Testament? I think we often make things too difficult as humans ... love one another ... that could dramatically change the world we live in!
#5 I recently got my first tattoo, a water drop with a wave inside of it. I never thought I would get a tattoo but once I realized what I wanted there was no turning back because of the significance of water to me ... waters of baptism, a weekend of renewal with my mom years ago when she asked me two questions: most important thing God made? And my favorite thing God made? And my answer to both was water, and whenever I am near lakes/the ocean I feel God’s presence as strongly as anywhere else and I am closest to Him in those places. So now it is my reminder and symbol
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